Dan Goodman ([info]dsgood) wrote,
@ 2008-04-16 16:05:00
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Are There Rural Voters in Pennsylvania?

Originally published at Daily Kos: http://tinyurl.com/3p2y8p
Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:45:45 PM CDT
Also at http://tinyurl.com/6opynh

Smalltown voters (and which candidate despises them most) are getting a lot of discussion -- in blogs, the mass media, etc. Urban voters get some discussion.

But I don't see discussion of rural voters. The people who don't live in towns of any size.

Yes, I know they're being included in "smalltown voters" -- but they shouldn't be. The answer to "It's the same thing, isn't it?" is almost always "No."

The differences between town people and country people can be larger than those between city people and suburbanites. I don't know of any case in which urban-suburban animosity has led to respectable people shooting at each other.

The relationship between small town people and rural people is probably different in every area. But sometimes their economic interests are very different. (Less so these days, when farmers are a small minority of rural population.) They might speak different languages at home, belong to different religions. And even if the differences are small, they might be seen as being large.

Ignorance and stupidity from the mass media, I'm resigned to. I expect them to be mentally lazy. But I expect better from kossacks.



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There's small and then there's small.
[info]bibliotrope
2008-04-17 12:02 am UTC (link)
Are you saying that someone from a farm near Coudersport, PA (which is where my brother-in-law grew up) does not consider himself to be *from* Coudersport? I think my b-i-l would differ. Ditto his sons, whose houses are a couple of miles east of Coudy but not within the borough limits. (They might say they're from Sweden Valley, which is an "unincorporated place", a village that technically is part of a township, but not in a town, which in Pa. is nearly always called a "borough".) Or my niece-in-law, whose folks live up the hill a bit near a very little town called Ulysses, near the headwaters of the Allegheny River *and* the Genessee River. I think if you asked them where they lived they'd say "Ulysses". Or maybe "Coudersport", since it's a lot bigger (nearly 4000 people, which is a *big* town in that area. I think Ulysses is about 300).

Maybe it's different in the places you've lived. But the rural places I know in Pa. tend to identify with the nearest town, some of which are quite small. That's where they shop and go to church (if they do -- and despite the stereotype, not all rural people are churchgoers) and the kids go to school, and their mailing address is.

I once got very upset at a national pundit who described Weirton as a teeny town. Weirton is about 20,000 -- it was close to 30,000 once; like most places in this region it's lost population -- and is the sixth largest city in West Virginia. I, on the other hand, grew up in an area that despite being 15 miles from downtown Pittsburgh had a lot of little little towns, and the "town" I actually lived in was a one-street neighborhood of 15 houses and about 50 people. This wasn't "rural" in the sense of farming. But Pa. has a lot of small "towns" in almost every variety of small you can think of. Everywhere except Philadelphia. Even Pittsburgh is "small" compared to other big cities.

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Re: There's small and then there's small.
[info]bonniers
2008-04-17 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Montana's different.

I tell people I'm "from" Bozeman, or sometimes "from" Gallatin Gateway, but those are just the nearest locations that would be marked on the map. I'm "from" a small house at what used to be the end of a road that used to be unnamed. My dad was an equipment mechanic, not a farmer, so we had a couple of houses closer than farms would usually be, but still it wasn't any kind of urban location.

Going shopping was a major excursion into a foreign land. When I got bused into town for school in sixth grade, it was scary. The kids in my class had such a different life, I had trouble even talking to them.

We went into town for church (when we went) because that's where the Lutheran church was, but the Dutch Reformed and Baptist families had churches that were plopped out in the middle of the fields, same as the farms.

All of this, just for what it's worth

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[info]bonniers
2008-04-17 12:35 pm UTC (link)
Good observation, Dan.

I think the answer is that the only people who are aware of the reality are those who grew up rural, and there aren't enough of us to make a blip on the blog world :D

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